Puzzling
Voyager Dear
Troubleshooter:
The vehicle is a 1995 Plymouth Voyager, with a 2.5L engine three-speed automatic transmission, VIN 2P4GH25K2SR311768. The vehicle is hard to start and it will not idle without going to a rich condition. At high rpms, all readings on the sensors are good. But
when the minivan drops back to idle, it starts running rough and goes rich on
the O2 sensor. Also, injector pulse width is still high, up to about 4.25 ms. I
have replaced the map sensor, computer, TPS and the throttle body. The fuel
pressure checks to spec and does the same thing on the auxiliary fuel source.
The ignition coil and the pick-up in the distributor have been changed.
I’m at my wit’s end. The
engine is a new rebuild with approximately 2,000 miles. It ran like a top when
the engine was installed. If
you have any ideas or can help in any way, it would be appreciated. Charlie
Lee, President Lee’s
Repair Shop, Dewey, OK Dear
Mr. Lee:
Let’s see what we can do with the limited information that we have. The complaint is hard starting, rough idle and a rich idle condition. The O2 sensor displays rich, and the injector pulse width is abnormally high for idle speeds. You state that all sensor readings are good when above idle, and fuel pressure is within specifications. Now my questions are,
what are those same sensor readings at idle? Have you installed a vacuum gauge
and taken a compression test to rule out an engine mechanical problem? Are there
any vacuum leaks?Remember
that a speed density system determines engine load by changes in manifold
pressure. If there is an engine mechanical malfunction, vacuum leak or a
malfunctioning EGR valve that affects MAP sensor pressures, the engine
management system will be fooled into believing the engine is under heavy load
and will increase injector pulse width accordingly. A faulty coolant temperature
sensor could also cause a rich mixture and hard starting hot, but would happen
at all engine speeds, not just idle. This vehicle is not originally equipped
with an EGR valve; however, if the engine was swapped from another Chrysler
vehicle that has an EGR valve, I would suggest the EGR be checked for sticking
open at idle. Stumped
Dear Troubleshooter:
I’m working on a Toyota Celica GT, production date 10/90 with a 16 valve 2200 engine and automatic transmission (VIN JT2ST87N6M0070522). The problem happens when the car is warm. After being on the highway, the engine stumbles and stalls while sitting at a stop, but not all the time. The owner has taken it to the dealer several times, and they say there’s no problem. But there is because it happened to me, so I know what she is complaining about. The
dealer has done tune-ups, fuel injector cleaning and has replaced the EGR valve.
And it is still doing the same thing. I have looked at it, and can’t find a
problem or any codes. I
think I read an article by you several months ago with a similar problem. If you
could help that would be great. Thank
you, David
Binder, Owner/Manager SK
Muffler, Warren, MI Dear
Mr. Binder:
Let’s see what we can do. Because the problem exists only during idle, we must concentrate on anything that can have a major affect on idle without affecting operation at higher speeds. This would include such areas as vacuum leaks, open EGR, a malfunctioning or ‘sludged-up’ idle air control system, and engine mechanical failures, such as a sticking valve. Check
for vacuum leaks. Don’t forget the PCV. Be sure it is in good condition and is
the correct valve for the vehicle. Be sure the engine is in good mechanical
condition. Check that the IAC circuit is not partially plugged and is operating
properly. Check that the EGR vacuum modulator or vacuum-switching valve is not
holding the EGR valve open at idle. Exhaust
backpressure increases proportionally with engine load; the EGR vacuum modulator
uses this principle to precisely control the strength of the vacuum signal to
the EGR valve. If the modulator malfunctions, vacuum can be supplied to the EGR
at idle, which will result in a rough idle and stalling. There
is a filter at the top of the vacuum modulator that, if plugged, could create
the same condition. Even though the EGR valve itself has been replaced, be sure
there are no carbon deposits holding it open. It
is also possible that the torque converter clutch is staying engaged or the
throttle position closed switch is defective.
The vehicle is a 1995 Plymouth Voyager, with a 2.5L engine three-speed automatic transmission, VIN 2P4GH25K2SR311768. The vehicle is hard to start and it will not idle without going to a rich condition. At high rpms, all readings on the sensors are good.
Let’s see what we can do with the limited information that we have. The complaint is hard starting, rough idle and a rich idle condition. The O2 sensor displays rich, and the injector pulse width is abnormally high for idle speeds. You state that all sensor readings are good when above idle, and fuel pressure is within specifications.
Dear Troubleshooter:
I’m working on a Toyota Celica GT, production date 10/90 with a 16 valve 2200 engine and automatic transmission (VIN JT2ST87N6M0070522). The problem happens when the car is warm. After being on the highway, the engine stumbles and stalls while sitting at a stop, but not all the time. The owner has taken it to the dealer several times, and they say there’s no problem. But there is because it happened to me, so I know what she is complaining about.
Let’s see what we can do. Because the problem exists only during idle, we must concentrate on anything that can have a major affect on idle without affecting operation at higher speeds. This would include such areas as vacuum leaks, open EGR, a malfunctioning or ‘sludged-up’ idle air control system, and engine mechanical failures, such as a sticking valve.